Oh dear

[serai]

It looks like mucun has closed her slash site:

http://havens.sakura.ne.jp/ban/

Wonder what happened? Anybody here read Japanese? It looks like she left a note.



ETA: OK, I've been over to Rei's journal and read the latest on the brouhaha.

And I can say that I am now officially disgusted with this fandom. I suppose it's a branch of my disgust with this prudish, finger-pointing, dirty-minded culture in general, that can see some kind of twisted sex in a rather sweet image of affection between friends. God, people can be filthy sometimes.

Feh.

Comments

[elderberrywine.livejournal.com]

Imagine an elderly man meeting a young boy, who is no relative or acquaintance of his. As a greeting, he pulls up the boy's shirt and kisses him on the bare stomach. Pedophile, right? Add the details that the man was the leader of Russia and that the boy's mother stood proudly by, beaming at the raspberry kisses. The picture changes, does it not?

Kissing is a culturally influenced custom and in the most of the world, does not automatically equate to sex. For someone to find their way to a site belonging to someone of a different culture, and imply evil where clearly none was intended, is not only narrow-minded and reprehensible, but abominably rude as well.

And yet those who caused grief to the site's owner appear to feel that their actions are clothed in moral rectitude, depite the fact that those depicted were two fictional non-human minors. That certainly does not meet any definition of pedophilia with which I am acquainted. Of course, there really is no reasoning possible here, since one hits that peculiar way of thinking that my way is right, and your way, if you do not agree with me, is evil. That is a way of thinking that has, unfortunately, become all too common in American society.

I must say, however, that I believe that the root cause of the original comments was an active dislike to the prevalence of slash within the LOTR fan community. And fair enough, the tent of the fandom should be wide enough for all of us. As a hobbit slash writer, there are sections of that tent that I do not find at all appealing, and yet I can concede that others might, and wish them joy in sharing with others of a like mind. There is no need for me to belittle them, or imply that they are less wholesome, somehow, and put me off my feed. For indeed they do, but I am sensible enough to just not go there, and let them be.

I really feel that an apology is in order by those who caused a sensitive and gentle artist such unnecessary pain, and I thank you, Serai, for being the voice, as usual, of conscience.

[serai1.livejournal.com]

Oh man. I'm Spanish, and my folks are old-world, and you'd be mightily amused by some of the stories I could tell you about familial affection, hugs-and-kisses, and the hilarious situations that can result. You'd laugh heartily, whereas I'm sure the kind of pissy busybodies we're discussing would have an apoplectic fit.

not only narrow-minded and reprehensible, but abominably rude as well.

LOL. Ah, but we're talking about 'Murrikins here. This is the BEST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD, with the HIGHEST MORALS and BEST VALUES, so we have the right to tell anybody else anywhere what to do, anytime. Courtesy is just some faggy Eurotrash invention, we don't need none o' that shit! We gonna say what we want and do what we want, and anybody who cain't take it ain't got no balls, yahoo!

We didn't get our reputation as the rudest, pushiest nation in the world by accident, y'know. But you know I'm in agreement with you on the rudeness thing. It just kills me how sickeningly rude and self-worshipping we can be.

I know it's modern scripture to believe that one's own problems are more important than anything or anyone else, and thus the whole world should Hear About It When We're Offended, and thus I'm marking myself as a hopeless old fogey when I say people should mind their own business and keep their shit to themselves. I've got skeletons and troubles and past sorrows aplenty, but you don't see me vomiting them out all over everybody at the slightest provocation. The worship of the individual has turned this culture into a huge sandbox, filled with toddlers who whine and cry and demand everyone's attention no matter what the cause.

I must say, however, that I believe that the root cause of the original comments was an active dislike to the prevalence of slash within the LOTR fan community.

And I agree with you here wholeheartedly. This is something I just don't get. What the hell business is it of theirs? They don't like slash? Fine. Who in the hell is forcing them to look at it? And for fuck's sake, she labelled the drawing and put in a cut. How can it possibly be her resposibility that some slash-hating dickwad decided to look anyway?

Jesus, this fandom so deserves a massive bitch-slapping. This kind of shit is just not on at all.

[elderberrywine.livejournal.com]

Yes, I think it was the condescension that really got to me, the ever-so-kindly implication that, my dear, you may not have realized it, being a benighted foreigner and all, but you just posted what any reasonable person could clearly see was pornographic filth. But of course we Americans with our lofty morals have no problem in pointing out the error of your ways to you. Pah.

Not familiar with Murrikins, fortunately, but then I do stay far away from SOA and any other group that I feel is judgmental.

and any that favors elves, but that's just me ;)

[serai1.livejournal.com]

Teehee! "'Murrikins" are Americans, with that self-righteous trailer-trash accent.

[elderberrywine.livejournal.com]

Hee! - and here I thought it was some impossibly twee nickname. :D

[serai1.livejournal.com]

*snort* Or some deviant/weird fandom thing. A fetish for...what? Fold-out beds? Virgin mothers? The mind boggles at the possibilities.

[gloryunderhill.livejournal.com]

For someone to find their way to a site belonging to someone of a different culture, and imply evil where clearly none was intended, is not only narrow-minded and reprehensible, but abominably rude as well.

It does tend to come back to just down right bad manners doesn't it? Very well said!

[serai1.livejournal.com]

I think just about everything that's objectionable about American cultures and "values" can ultimately come down to plain bad manners, myself.

[elderberrywine.livejournal.com]

It does tend to come back to just down right bad manners doesn't it?

Doesn't it, though? And I have found that the older I get, the less tolerant of rudeness I am, and is probably why this incensed me so.

It's not as though Mucun had been in the habit of posting nothing but fluffy F&S pics and then had sprung a hardcore F/S on her friends. In that case, her friends might have had just cause to ask her for a bit of a warning, although she still would have had every right to post it on her own site.

But apparently this was a friend of a friend who seems to think that she and her friends have the right to enforce their views upon the internet at large. That, I submit, is utterly uncalled for, and they'd do better to stay at their own sites and not be judging the world at large.

[gloryunderhill.livejournal.com]

And to hurt such a sweet person in the process with out any justification whatsoever except their own twisted misperceptions? That's what really got my hackles up. I get pretty annoyed when people are rude to me, but if they are rude to someone who's genuinely sweet and kind, I just boil!

[serai1.livejournal.com]

By the way, I just friended you. :)