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Oh dear

It looks like

mucun has closed her slash site:

http://havens.sakura.ne.jp/ban/

Wonder what happened? Anybody here read Japanese? It looks like she left a note.

ETA: OK, I've been over to Rei's journal and read the latest on the brouhaha.

And I can say that I am now officially disgusted with this fandom. I suppose it's a branch of my disgust with this prudish, finger-pointing, dirty-minded culture in general, that can see some kind of twisted sex in a rather sweet image of affection between friends. God, people can be filthy sometimes.

Feh.

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the note says "shibaraku oyasumi shimasu" (going to sleep for a while) which means she's just taking it down temporarily, I hope. The problem here is cultural and nonnymouses screeching OMG PEDO IN MY INTERNETS. Yes, there is such a thing as shotacon but this is not it. I think anybody could tell the difference. *rolls eyes*　To demand the artist change her own artwork takes some adult-sized balls, if you ask me.

I swear to god the Tolkien fandom attracts the easily offended. I'm glad to say that I'd rather be in a Japanese media fandom instead.

またね。

I read today the discussion on Rei LJ and now I feel very distressed and depressed.

I’m distressed for Rei who is a wonderful, sensible artist not deserving such accusation for an innocent picture.

I’m depressed how every time I see someone judge another following one’s personal principle and feelings without asking oneself if they have the same meaning for the other, and more the judgment is made completely out of context.
Internet is supposed to be and ‘international’ environment in which different cultures converge and try to communicate and understand each other. It is, at least, small-town mentality or ignorance (that is not know) thinking that laws and feelings of a Nation are universal for the rest of the world.

I live in ‘catholic’, ‘narrow-minded’ Italy: here LotR movies are G and not PG-13; here ‘Sin City’ is G and ‘Brokeback Montain’ is PG. So, I know that when I’m in an international environment I have to increase my sensibility, and that an evaluation (or judgment) following my only feelings and culture is unsuitable.

In any case, I think this sentence is completely true (for me) and I remember it when I feel the urge to judge other people: ” For from within, out of the heart of men, evil thoughts proceed, fornications, thefts, murders, adulteries covetings, wickednesses, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, railing, pride, foolishness: all these evil things proceed from within, and defile the man”.

I tried to defend her art, but I am afraid she doesn't read English well enough to know that. :(

*feels bad about the whole thing*

WTF? That's the most appalling conversation I've read in ages. Reading something dirty into that sweet picture says far more about the mind of the viewer than the artist! So now we need warnings for innocence? Feh!

What a sad discussion this was. I am so sorry for Rei who is doubtless a lovely, sensitive person who now thinks she did something wrong, and I agree with Gloryunderhill that it is just appalling. The same thing happened to me so I know first-hand how much it hurts and how much you just want to lash out, delete everything, and escape.

But I also learned that these people need to be (and can be) ignored and not allowed to ruin LJ for one's self and others. I am so happy that I jettisoned such individuals from my LJ life and continued on to have a perfectly enjoyable and lovely experience associating with wonderful friends and other open-minded individuals.

*shakes head* Still, it just is so sad to see it happen to someone.

I am with you on every word you say here, and it's unusual for me to agree so completely on anything. There was nothing, whatsoever, wrong with Rei's picture, and I hope she receives enough support to bring back her slash site in the near future. I truly wish that I spoke Japanese.

To me, this goes beyond terrorizing an artist (an act I can't support, no matter what). To be blunt, I also think that it's immensely damaging to label such pictures as pedophilic, as it deprives people of yet another innocent form of expressing affection between each other. As it is, men can't touch each other in affection without being assumed to be gay (and bullied about it in this homophobic society), men and women are barely allowed to touch without a chaperon, lest they be thought to be having an affair, and anyone touching a child is a presumed pedophile. What do we want? A society of robots who can't bear to touch each other except to kill, fight or have sex? Frankly, with all this emphasis on sex, it looks as though American prurience knows no bounds. When it comes to how we raise our children, what with teachers being forbidden to hug or comfort crying four-year-olds (or eight-year-olds) consigned to the school system, I really fear for the sociopathy that will plague us in the all-too-near future when these children grow into emotionally stunted adults.

Sorry to bring such a vitriolic soap-box to your journal, but thank you for the opportunity to express my views.

Catherine

Imagine an elderly man meeting a young boy, who is no relative or acquaintance of his. As a greeting, he pulls up the boy's shirt and kisses him on the bare stomach. Pedophile, right? Add the details that the man was the leader of Russia and that the boy's mother stood proudly by, beaming at the raspberry kisses. The picture changes, does it not?

Kissing is a culturally influenced custom and in the most of the world, does not automatically equate to sex. For someone to find their way to a site belonging to someone of a different culture, and imply evil where clearly none was intended, is not only narrow-minded and reprehensible, but abominably rude as well.

And yet those who caused grief to the site's owner appear to feel that their actions are clothed in moral rectitude, depite the fact that those depicted were two fictional non-human minors. That certainly does not meet any definition of pedophilia with which I am acquainted. Of course, there really is no reasoning possible here, since one hits that peculiar way of thinking that my way is right, and your way, if you do not agree with me, is evil. That is a way of thinking that has, unfortunately, become all too common in American society.

I must say, however, that I believe that the root cause of the original comments was an active dislike to the prevalence of slash within the LOTR fan community. And fair enough, the tent of the fandom should be wide enough for all of us. As a hobbit slash writer, there are sections of that tent that I do not find at all appealing, and yet I can concede that others might, and wish them joy in sharing with others of a like mind. There is no need for me to belittle them, or imply that they are less wholesome, somehow, and put me off my feed. For indeed they do, but I am sensible enough to just not go there, and let them be.

I really feel that an apology is in order by those who caused a sensitive and gentle artist such unnecessary pain, and I thank you, Serai, for being the voice, as usual, of conscience.

I'm glad someone has said something about this. This was her first picture drawn as a request to her English speaking fans, and this was the thanks she got...

I just caught wind of what happened to

mucun: it's awful. I really doubt she intended for it to be considered that.

The hell is up with some people?

Mucun has re-opened her slash site with a warning for people who are incomfortable with these kind of themes.
I'm glad to see her back.

Nimue

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