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Herein you shall find a cry of pain, from the depths of a soul who really WANTS TO BE CREATIVE GODDAMMIT.

I know I have a few new friends on my list from the newly minted ST fandom. (SIDE NOTE: Hi, guys!! So glad you're here. You are welcome in my house. Do me a favor and keep the cat off the altar if you see her up there. She just WON'T leave it alone.) And I know that, along with my pals from the LOTR and actor fandoms, at least a couple of you are fic writers. I'd like to hear from those of you who write (if you're inclined to respond), especially those in the ST fandom, since you're involved with the stuff I am these days. (Readers too if you have any thoughts!)

This problem has come up before, but I'm feeling it acutely right now. Have you ever been working on a story, you know the shape of it, the currents running between the characters, where the eddies and rapids ought to be, and you're banging away at it...and it changes? Either a character does something unexpected, or an emotional shift happens that pushes the narrative in a different direction, or something else equally disconcerting? What do you do in that situation?

I'm working on a fic that I really love (but which I'm not sure anyone else will, LOL), and I've found myself in just such an impasse. The problem is two-fold: the aforementioned emotional shift, and a very sudden ending. Not that the story ends, but the fic seems to. The words come to a close, and I'll be damned if I can see how to write past it.

And it's LONG! This is a long fic ! (For me, anyway.) I'm on my fourth page, and I'm dead certain there's more to this thing. ARGHARGHARGH

What would you recommend here? Has this happened to you? How did it affect you, and what did you do about it? Should I do anything about it? Maybe I should let it sit. But I lose fics that way! I'M ON A GODDAMN ROLL HERE.

HEEEEELLLLPPP!!!

Date: Saturday, July 25th, 2009 02:52 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elderberrywine.livejournal.com
Ah, for me, a fic will do what a fic will do. Including ending where they will. Hell, I've no say in the matter. Never been much for plotting out a story - I just jump-start it, and see where it takes me.

ST fic, eh? *makes grabby hands*

Date: Saturday, July 25th, 2009 03:25 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] serai1.livejournal.com
I'm usually of that mind, too, but it's stopped at a point where nothing's resolved, and the nature of the events still aren't completely clear. I can easily see reading this and thinking, "Yeah, but what happened? Why did this come about?" While I do believe in leaving some things unsaid, this leaves too much unsaid, or the wrong things unsaid. It's very frustrating.

Date: Saturday, July 25th, 2009 07:45 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] biting-moopie.livejournal.com
Keep writing. If you know that there's more to the story but the words/ideas just won't come, then what I do is keep writing. Sometimes I change the setting, like going to a cafe, and I take out my pen and start. It can mean that the first paragraph will be something like "Well, I'm here to write this fic and I really don't know what's going to happen and it's driving me crazy because I know Character X should do this and Character Y should do that..." and I just keep going. Sometimes I'll start by writing down the lyrics to a song that's in my head. But I keep my pen moving and don't stop. Then what happens is that you just start getting into the story and before you know it, you've written the next section.

What can also happen is that you find yourself writing about something else but that just means you had all that extra stuff in your head that was getting in the way of the story. So don't worry if this happens.

I've used this technique on fanfic, original stories and presentations/projects for work. If I need to write something but am not inspired, I just start writing anyway. The first words you write might not have anything to do with the subject at hand. But once you relax and get into the flow and let the words come, you'll be amazed at what comes out.

Hope this is helpful! If you're on a roll, stay with it. Good luck writing! *sends happy writing energy*

Date: Saturday, July 25th, 2009 10:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] serai1.livejournal.com
Thank you for the suggestion! While thinking about what you've said here and rereading what I had, I realized that what ended was one character's words. I now suspect the way to unclog this drain is to do a flip-around and continue from the other character's viewpoint. Which actually scares me a bit because the way it's bucked me means I have no idea what he's going to say or reveal. Or what will happen next. EEK

I'm going to take some time this evening and just hack away. Thank you so much!

Date: Monday, August 10th, 2009 07:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] biting-moopie.livejournal.com
Sorry for the extremely late reply.

You're welcome. I'm so happy that this technique worked for you!

It's so funny, that exact same thing happened to me. I'm working on a Snarry fic and part two was giving me a lot of trouble. I'd written part 1 from Harry's point of view and was doing the same thing for part two. Then I just got stuck and was not progressing. One day, I made myself sit back down and write and then I realised that the reason it wasn't working was because the story should be from Severus' point of view. Now the story is coming along and it might actually be finished soon! (I've been working on and off on this series for four years and the thought that it might be finished in the next couple of months makes me dance with joy and then get back to writing :)

Can't wait to read your fic, bb!

Date: Tuesday, August 11th, 2009 01:03 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] serai1.livejournal.com
I've written another piece of it, and it looks like it's going to flip back and forth between the two characters involved. I'm enjoying it, though I'm still not sure what it'll end up being, and whether it'll make sense to anyone that reads it. But it's EXCITING!

Date: Sunday, July 26th, 2009 04:51 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lindmere.livejournal.com
Have you ever been working on a story, you know the shape of it, the currents running between the characters, where the eddies and rapids ought to be, and you're banging away at it...and it changes?

YES. I admit I'm brand new and supremely naive about this writing thing, but I have read interviews with authors where they say the characters "spoke" to them or had minds of their own and....yes.

For the abrupt ending...is there a way that you can continue without making the next paragraph the very next thing that happens? Maybe jump forward in time, or put a frame story around it, or switch to another characters POV? Or it could be that your ending is fine. Maybe you've said all you need to say.

I find shifts in mood/tone more problematic, because it seems my narrative voice changes when I write at different times. It can be hard to keep the tone consistent throughout the fic (unless you're lucky enough to be able to finish it all at one sitting). In that case I tweak what's already there instead of writing new stuff, and often I fall back into the rhythm. But it's scary--I presume professional writers have REALLY good control of their voice and style to make it all the way through an novel without changing midstream.

Date: Tuesday, August 11th, 2009 01:13 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] serai1.livejournal.com
Thanks for your support, and I'm so sorry for the late reply. I'm working on this fic, having decided to use switches of viewpoint to help it along and it seems to be working. The emotional shift ended up opening a whole new issue in the way these two relate to each other, whee! As an added bonus, one of them is garrulous, while the other doesn't talk much, so I have to deal with how to get him to tell me what he's thinking. He doesn't really want to.

Yeah, I'm one of those crazy writers that treats characters as real people. I've never been able to make stories happen; they happen without me, and I have to find out what's going on, usually either by watching and listening, or by conversing with the characters. It's strange, but I enjoy it, far more than writing where I'm actively making things up. This feels more alive.

Finding your voice is the main craft in writing, I think, the one you're learning all your life. I always tell new writers that in order to do this, at whatever level, you have to be a reader. A writer's style doesn't appear out of thin air; you have to learn from those who've been at it longer. The more you read, and the more widely you read, the better you'll be when you write, because you'll start out by imitating what you've read, and then work towards your own insights. Reading widely, in many different fields and genres, is especially helpful, and not something everybody does, but it can bring unexpected spice in that won't be available if you limit your reading to only your favorite stuff.

Also, the ending - no, there's more. In fact, now that I've figured out the key to bridging in this thing, the ending I had may turn around and have its tone changed by what comes next. I'm having fun. Can you tell?

Date: Tuesday, August 11th, 2009 10:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lindmere.livejournal.com
It's fascinating to hear that, as I assumed when writers talked about having dialogues with their characters, it was metaphorical. I suspect it varies widely from person to person, and has to do with how your brain is wired. Another fan fic writer I talked to about this talked about having "cinematic" visions and building a story around them. I admit (with some embarrassment) to acting out some scenes, partly to provide a reality check so the dialogue doesn't sound too writerly and partly because that's how I told myself stories long before I wrote them down.

I suppose more elaborate plots have to be puzzled out in a more tedious way; I know JK Rowling kept masses of notebooks and mystery or thriller writers presumably have to map the whole thing out before they start to write.

I'm glad your story is no longer giving you fits and that you're enjoying it. I am truly looking forward to reading it.

Date: Monday, July 27th, 2009 05:23 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] magpie-2.livejournal.com
This is coming from a visual art pov, I go with the changes but keep sketches of the original plans. I try to keep things fluid as long as possible.

Always great to hear you are writing, whatever you decide keep writing.. you aren't wanting to be creative, you are a creative soul *stomps feet*

Date: Tuesday, August 11th, 2009 01:16 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] serai1.livejournal.com
Good advice, sweetie, thank you for reminding me. I try to save stuff in new copies whenever I make changes, in case something that I rejected earlier becomes useful later on.

*hug* Am having fun.

Date: Saturday, August 1st, 2009 08:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shoesparks.livejournal.com
What I have done was to copy all that made it end and save it into another document and continue writing...then go back and decide which I want or like best...
Edited Date: Saturday, August 1st, 2009 08:56 pm (UTC)

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