I'll Have No More of It
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seraiA while back, I was surfing one of the big archives (*coughffcough*), and came across yet another fic that treats Rosie Cotton as an inconvenience to be shoved aside. Clear as a bell at midnight, I heard Sam's voice answering back. Here's what he had to say - straight, no chaser.
I'll Have No More of It
I've a word or two to say to you. To all of you.
I know what you've been sayin' about her, about my Rosie. Aye, I've got ears, I'm not daft. I know you've been speaking ill of she who's my dearest, my light. And I'm sayin' now that I'll have no more of it.
And well I know who among you've been speakin' such lies. You, and you, and you there as well. Aye, don't be tryin' to sneak out from under my nose like a faunt tryin' to escape a switchin'. I say I know what you've been doin', and you'll all sit and hear me out good and proper.
For a long while now, all any of you've been able to think is how strange it is, me and Rosie and Mr. Frodo livin' up there at Bag End. Not proper, you whisper to each other, and odd goings on, and other such nonsense. And well do I know that you blame it on her, thinkin' that it's Mr. Frodo's house and all, and who does she think she is bargin' in like she has? Sayin' she should step aside, and that it's his claim that's the strongest.
Well and like, it may be true. I've known 'em both most of my life, but it's Mr. Frodo who's my master, and Rose was just a lass who caught my eye, 'til the day we went away. It was only a year that I traveled with him, but it seemed like twenty, and oft we thought we'd never make it home. And the burden was fair deadly on him, and ate him away from the inside, 'til naught was left but sinews and dust, and a light that shone through now and again, when it could get past the ashes.
But he was stronger than any of you think he was, for all that he looked little more than a ghost at the end of it. His heart and his bones were like an elf-sword, twere nothin' that could break 'em. Nothin', but that cursed thing he bore. All I did was keep him fed and watered when I could, and try to keep the terrors and that nasty slinkin' thing away from him. Just a gardener's job it was, though it were a long ways away from any true garden.
But he was strong and still he is, though he don't seem it. Aye, I learned a lot durin' my travels, and stayed a time in the White City, and learned things there from the tellers and from books. Stories about old times, and about the kinds of terrible things that happen both in tales and out of 'em. And I learned what folk can be driven to, when life takes 'em down dark roads, and I tell you that Mr. Frodo's stronger than you know, even now. He's here, isn't he? He's here, and not buried in the ground like a kit too weak to go on livin'. He sees his days through, even the dark ones, and doesn't run from his fate.
Aye, I love him, more than I can say. I love him for that strength, and for all he's done, for all of us. And I love him for his eyes like the sky, and his hands stained with ink, and his murmurs late at night when all the world's asleep and he sits up writin' with the ghosts hissin' and shriekin' around him. I love him powerful hard, and I'd do anything for him. And I have. I have.
But none of you, not a single one of you, know what that's like. To love someone so deep, hold him in your arms and have to watch him bein' eaten away, day after day. First his laugh, like a bell tollin' smaller and duller til it never sounds at all. The sparkle in his eyes filmin' over with weariness, like it were fadin' under dust that can't be wiped away. The spring in his step disappearin', becomin' a plod like a tired cart-pony, finally at the end even that bein' gone and all that's left is a crawl on hands and knees bleedin' and scabbed with ash. At the end everythin' that was him was gone - smile, song, stories, the glow of his warm heart beatin' against me, his touch. Everythin' but that steel strength that kept on pushin' him, and thanks be for that. Without it we'd all of us be dead or worse.
None of you know what that was like. Or what it was like to come back with him. What it's like to love someone who's only a ghost of what he was. Day after day watchin' and waitin', hopin' that maybe today will be the day I see him again, see some sign of the hobbit I loved from the very first mornin' he came strollin' up the hill behind his Uncle, all bright dark curls and eyes like them sapphires the Queen wears threaded through her hair.
But it's never that day, and it's a slow thing comin' that I've finally learned - it'll never be that day. The hobbit I loved is gone, gone forever. I'll never see that fire in his eyes again, or hear him laugh without stoppin', til I think he'll burst himself with it. He'll never throw marmalade cake at his cousins again, or dance like a lad round a tavern table, or best any of us at drinkin' ale. When I hold him now, it's with care that I do. It'll never be the hard wrestle it was when we were young and the fire took us both, when we couldn't get enough, slammin' each other against the walls and tuppin' like mad with the sweat rollin' off us, bellowin' like bulls roarin' in the barn. Strange to think on it, isn't it? But I tell you it was true, once on a time. There were days he was stronger than I was.
Now his limbs are like fine glass, and some nights he can't barely move, but with his eyes he asks for me anyway. And I touch him like he'll break in my hands, and his cries are soft like a babe's. And sometimes I come near to cramp in my legs and arms with wantin' him back the way he was. I've had hours weepin' in the storeroom where he can't hear, rememberin' him as he was, and wishin' there were some way I could make him whole and happy again.
None of you know what that's like.
But there's one thing that takes me through it, keeps me strong for him, and that's my Rose. Because she's so strong in herself, so strong and fine and full of sunlight. She's made of copper and gold and flower petals, honey and wine and them oranges from away South. There's never been a lass like my Rose, blossomin' bright and hot in the summer air. Her eyes keep me warm, and her lips call me love, and what's in her heart and under her skirts gives me what I need to keep on. If not for her, I don't know what I would've done. If not for the thought of her waitin' here for me, I don't know if I'd ever have returned, or cared enough to. If not for her, I don't know if I could face that bedroom door, or if I could keep bein' what he needs me to be when I close it behind me.
All them words you gossips call her, and all them nasty things you write to each other about her, I'll have you know now they're nothin' but lies. You don't know her heart, how big she is inside, how much bigger she is than any of you. Didn't she wait for me, when she could have had any of the lads in Hobbiton or Bywater? Didn't she help nurse Mr. Frodo when we'd come back from our travels, and he fell sick from his wakin' nightmares, and hasn't she kept on doin' so? Didn't she hear my askin' for her, and take my hand even knowin' how it was with me and him? And never a complaint have I heard from her about it, knowin' as she does how dear he is to me, and that he needs what I can give him. And I can give him that because she's as she is, so fair and strong and kind.
None of you know her. None of you know what we have, and how it's worth more than the lot of you, with your poison tongues and your jealousy. None of you have a heart big enough to take in what she has, and you think she's a schemer or worse than one. You're all too small to know what she is, or want to. You're too selfish to let us be what we are, and have what we have with each other, lovin' each other and carin' for him.
No, you know nothin', the lot of you. Well, to the plague with all of you, but I'll tell you this. Just this one thing. I care not what you think or say of me, but I'll not have you speakin' ill of my Rose. You've no call nor right to do so, not a one of you. She's my wife, my light and my strength, the sun above me and the ground where I'll plant my family, and if any of you want to do her harm, or treat her like she's anything less than the Queen of my heart, you'll have to go through me first to do it. And if you think I've even half a fear of any of you, you're sore mistaken, you are. I've faced worse than you, a thousand times over. I love 'em both and I'll keep lovin' 'em, as long as I can. I won't give up one to keep the other, and I won't give up either of them to still a single viper's tongue. Keep a mind what I'm tellin' you here.
I'll have no more of it.
Disclaimer: All credit for Middle-Earth and its extraordinary characters, places and stories go to the blessed Professor Tolkien. I don't make a dime off this, nor would I wish to.
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sean_astin_fans and prettygoodyear.
I'll Have No More of It
I've a word or two to say to you. To all of you.
I know what you've been sayin' about her, about my Rosie. Aye, I've got ears, I'm not daft. I know you've been speaking ill of she who's my dearest, my light. And I'm sayin' now that I'll have no more of it.
And well I know who among you've been speakin' such lies. You, and you, and you there as well. Aye, don't be tryin' to sneak out from under my nose like a faunt tryin' to escape a switchin'. I say I know what you've been doin', and you'll all sit and hear me out good and proper.
For a long while now, all any of you've been able to think is how strange it is, me and Rosie and Mr. Frodo livin' up there at Bag End. Not proper, you whisper to each other, and odd goings on, and other such nonsense. And well do I know that you blame it on her, thinkin' that it's Mr. Frodo's house and all, and who does she think she is bargin' in like she has? Sayin' she should step aside, and that it's his claim that's the strongest.
Well and like, it may be true. I've known 'em both most of my life, but it's Mr. Frodo who's my master, and Rose was just a lass who caught my eye, 'til the day we went away. It was only a year that I traveled with him, but it seemed like twenty, and oft we thought we'd never make it home. And the burden was fair deadly on him, and ate him away from the inside, 'til naught was left but sinews and dust, and a light that shone through now and again, when it could get past the ashes.
But he was stronger than any of you think he was, for all that he looked little more than a ghost at the end of it. His heart and his bones were like an elf-sword, twere nothin' that could break 'em. Nothin', but that cursed thing he bore. All I did was keep him fed and watered when I could, and try to keep the terrors and that nasty slinkin' thing away from him. Just a gardener's job it was, though it were a long ways away from any true garden.
But he was strong and still he is, though he don't seem it. Aye, I learned a lot durin' my travels, and stayed a time in the White City, and learned things there from the tellers and from books. Stories about old times, and about the kinds of terrible things that happen both in tales and out of 'em. And I learned what folk can be driven to, when life takes 'em down dark roads, and I tell you that Mr. Frodo's stronger than you know, even now. He's here, isn't he? He's here, and not buried in the ground like a kit too weak to go on livin'. He sees his days through, even the dark ones, and doesn't run from his fate.
Aye, I love him, more than I can say. I love him for that strength, and for all he's done, for all of us. And I love him for his eyes like the sky, and his hands stained with ink, and his murmurs late at night when all the world's asleep and he sits up writin' with the ghosts hissin' and shriekin' around him. I love him powerful hard, and I'd do anything for him. And I have. I have.
But none of you, not a single one of you, know what that's like. To love someone so deep, hold him in your arms and have to watch him bein' eaten away, day after day. First his laugh, like a bell tollin' smaller and duller til it never sounds at all. The sparkle in his eyes filmin' over with weariness, like it were fadin' under dust that can't be wiped away. The spring in his step disappearin', becomin' a plod like a tired cart-pony, finally at the end even that bein' gone and all that's left is a crawl on hands and knees bleedin' and scabbed with ash. At the end everythin' that was him was gone - smile, song, stories, the glow of his warm heart beatin' against me, his touch. Everythin' but that steel strength that kept on pushin' him, and thanks be for that. Without it we'd all of us be dead or worse.
None of you know what that was like. Or what it was like to come back with him. What it's like to love someone who's only a ghost of what he was. Day after day watchin' and waitin', hopin' that maybe today will be the day I see him again, see some sign of the hobbit I loved from the very first mornin' he came strollin' up the hill behind his Uncle, all bright dark curls and eyes like them sapphires the Queen wears threaded through her hair.
But it's never that day, and it's a slow thing comin' that I've finally learned - it'll never be that day. The hobbit I loved is gone, gone forever. I'll never see that fire in his eyes again, or hear him laugh without stoppin', til I think he'll burst himself with it. He'll never throw marmalade cake at his cousins again, or dance like a lad round a tavern table, or best any of us at drinkin' ale. When I hold him now, it's with care that I do. It'll never be the hard wrestle it was when we were young and the fire took us both, when we couldn't get enough, slammin' each other against the walls and tuppin' like mad with the sweat rollin' off us, bellowin' like bulls roarin' in the barn. Strange to think on it, isn't it? But I tell you it was true, once on a time. There were days he was stronger than I was.
Now his limbs are like fine glass, and some nights he can't barely move, but with his eyes he asks for me anyway. And I touch him like he'll break in my hands, and his cries are soft like a babe's. And sometimes I come near to cramp in my legs and arms with wantin' him back the way he was. I've had hours weepin' in the storeroom where he can't hear, rememberin' him as he was, and wishin' there were some way I could make him whole and happy again.
None of you know what that's like.
But there's one thing that takes me through it, keeps me strong for him, and that's my Rose. Because she's so strong in herself, so strong and fine and full of sunlight. She's made of copper and gold and flower petals, honey and wine and them oranges from away South. There's never been a lass like my Rose, blossomin' bright and hot in the summer air. Her eyes keep me warm, and her lips call me love, and what's in her heart and under her skirts gives me what I need to keep on. If not for her, I don't know what I would've done. If not for the thought of her waitin' here for me, I don't know if I'd ever have returned, or cared enough to. If not for her, I don't know if I could face that bedroom door, or if I could keep bein' what he needs me to be when I close it behind me.
All them words you gossips call her, and all them nasty things you write to each other about her, I'll have you know now they're nothin' but lies. You don't know her heart, how big she is inside, how much bigger she is than any of you. Didn't she wait for me, when she could have had any of the lads in Hobbiton or Bywater? Didn't she help nurse Mr. Frodo when we'd come back from our travels, and he fell sick from his wakin' nightmares, and hasn't she kept on doin' so? Didn't she hear my askin' for her, and take my hand even knowin' how it was with me and him? And never a complaint have I heard from her about it, knowin' as she does how dear he is to me, and that he needs what I can give him. And I can give him that because she's as she is, so fair and strong and kind.
None of you know her. None of you know what we have, and how it's worth more than the lot of you, with your poison tongues and your jealousy. None of you have a heart big enough to take in what she has, and you think she's a schemer or worse than one. You're all too small to know what she is, or want to. You're too selfish to let us be what we are, and have what we have with each other, lovin' each other and carin' for him.
No, you know nothin', the lot of you. Well, to the plague with all of you, but I'll tell you this. Just this one thing. I care not what you think or say of me, but I'll not have you speakin' ill of my Rose. You've no call nor right to do so, not a one of you. She's my wife, my light and my strength, the sun above me and the ground where I'll plant my family, and if any of you want to do her harm, or treat her like she's anything less than the Queen of my heart, you'll have to go through me first to do it. And if you think I've even half a fear of any of you, you're sore mistaken, you are. I've faced worse than you, a thousand times over. I love 'em both and I'll keep lovin' 'em, as long as I can. I won't give up one to keep the other, and I won't give up either of them to still a single viper's tongue. Keep a mind what I'm tellin' you here.
I'll have no more of it.
Disclaimer: All credit for Middle-Earth and its extraordinary characters, places and stories go to the blessed Professor Tolkien. I don't make a dime off this, nor would I wish to.
Cross-posted to
sean_astin_fans and prettygoodyear.
Sick sacrilege
Date: Thursday, August 28th, 2003 09:47 pm (UTC)Re: Sick sacrilege
Date: Thursday, August 28th, 2003 10:41 pm (UTC)Nice to meet you, too. And this means what to me, exactly? I find it interesting that out of all the information and emotional currents in that piece, you choose to focus solely on the thing that offends you. (I'm assuming the idea of what you so charmingly call "buggery", and what the rest of us call "love", "passion", "undying faithfulness" and a number of other things besides, is the only thing in the story that offends you, because I can't imagine you'd stint on letting me know otherwise.) I guess Sam's overwhelming adoration of his wife, Rosie doesn't count at all - somehow he manages to love her beyond reason, take great delight and strength from making love with her, and be gay at the same time. Hmm, this must be some strange usage of the word "gay" which I've never heard before.
and I am sure that Tolkien would share my views.
Oh, spare me, please. Just in case you haven't noticed, that piece up there was not written by Tolkien, it was written by me. It's my own conception of the characters, and nowhere did I state it had anything to do with the Professor's view, who, incidentally, never stated one way or the other just what the nature of Frodo and Sam's friendship was. He never said they were sexually involved, but then again, he never said they weren't, either. Just for the record, I don't believe he did mean them to be lovers. But Tolkien was pretty diligent about making sure the reader understood the points that were important to him. What with all the kissing, handholding and embracing these two do, it's clear the Professor must have realized that readers could take it "the wrong way" (as you would doubtlessly put it.) But when you take into account the emphasis he placed on making sure, for example, that the reader did not assume that Frodo had been violated at Cirith Ungol, it seems obvious to me that if he'd been vehemently against the assumption of romance between them, he'd have put out clear and unmistakable signs against it. Which he didn't.
Why can't two males have a deep friendship without it having to originate in buggery?
And where exactly did I say that two guys have to be screwing in order to be friends? Give me a break! That's your assumption about my writing, and it says a lot more about you than about me, since I never said it. So you can let go of your balls now, Tarzan.
Re: Sick sacrilege
Date: Thursday, August 28th, 2003 10:52 pm (UTC)*cough*lousy flamers*cough*
loved the fic, btw..
i think im developing a newfound love and caring for rosie... :)
Re: Sick sacrilege
Date: Thursday, August 28th, 2003 10:54 pm (UTC)Thanks, by the way! I'm glad to hear it. :)
Re: Sick sacrilege
Date: Friday, August 29th, 2003 03:25 am (UTC)For those that like that sort of thing, I think it is just the sort of thing that they would like.
Re: Sick sacrilege
Date: Friday, August 29th, 2003 05:09 am (UTC)Ah, Lincoln...right up there with Churchhill and Yogi Bera with those marvelous quotes.
Re: Sick sacrilege
Date: Friday, August 29th, 2003 05:12 am (UTC)Re: Sick sacrilege
Date: Sunday, August 31st, 2003 05:30 am (UTC)Re: Sick sacrilege
Date: Friday, August 29th, 2003 05:08 am (UTC)Idiots. *giggles some more*
Re: Sick sacrilege
Date: Friday, August 29th, 2003 05:22 am (UTC)Wanker. Seriously. Rationalizing his getting off on this stuff by tsking about it afterwards. *snort*
Re: Sick sacrilege
Date: Friday, August 29th, 2003 10:15 am (UTC)On the other hand I don't think it's necessary and certainly not what Tolkien intended. Either way. It kinda turns me on to read about it. :)
Re: Sick sacrilege
Date: Friday, August 29th, 2003 05:09 pm (UTC)*sigh* Too bad we don't share more genes with the bonobos!
Re: Sick sacrilege
Date: Friday, August 29th, 2003 05:31 pm (UTC)Hum. I wouldn't call the sex act "the next level" - it implies sex elevates friendship into romance thus further implying that a romance is a deeper and better sort of a relationship than a friendship. Sex between friends could be just sex, in which case it's likely a beautiful experience all around if people don't get neurotic about it, or it could be the beginning of a romance, which I have a few reservations about. I think friendship is better than romance. It's certainly more lasting.
Re: Sick sacrilege
Date: Friday, August 29th, 2003 07:29 pm (UTC)Bonobos are also called "pygmy chimpanzees". They're just what that sounds like. But instead of resorting to violence in situations of conflict, they way chimpanzees and other great apes do (including humans), they resort to SEX! Sexual touch, play and intercourse are used as answers to just about every social problem they encounter. Instead of hitting each other, they fuck. Sexual touch is also used as a means of introducing themselves - whenever a female joins a pack (they're matriarchal, too), she introduces herself by rubbing genitals with the Head Woman. How friendly is that?
And they're the only one of the great apes besides humans to mate face-to-face. And from the pics I've seen, they really get off on it, too. Grinning and making their hooty chimp laughter!
Al this makes their society far more peaceful and benign than any other ape society, certainly far more than ours, practically violence-free. So of course schoolkids never get to hear about them, and nobody does neat TV shows about them, and pictures of them are not widely known. Neither do we have bonobo areas at most zoos or zoological parks. Wouldn't want people getting the idea that it's ok to be peaceful, loving and non-violent, would we?
Re: Sick sacrilege
Date: Friday, August 29th, 2003 07:42 pm (UTC)A Higher Love
Date: Friday, August 29th, 2003 05:01 pm (UTC)~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
In which all the purists and lovers of Tolkien, defenders of character and believers in the sanctity of the written word, honor the pure love between Sam and Frodo, and hold that love sacred.
In which all the dreamers and adoring fans of Sam and Frodo, defenders of character, writers of fanfiction, believers in their beauty and real-ness as characters, who would therefore never deny them their rightly-deserved passion for each other, also honor the pure love between Sam and Frodo, and hold that love sacred.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
What a fantasy! Believing that the purist fans and the F/S shippers could come together and meet in the middle. AH, I'm a crazy woman, I supppose!
Re: A Higher Love
Date: Friday, August 29th, 2003 05:16 pm (UTC)And by the way, THAT ICON! Where did you get that pic?? Or is it a manip? :)~~~
*evil laughter*
Date: Friday, August 29th, 2003 05:23 pm (UTC)Hint: This LJ icon is also from those galleries.
If you're very very nice I will direct you to them. ;)
Re: *evil laughter*
Date: Friday, August 29th, 2003 05:34 pm (UTC)And if that isn't nice enough, I begs...
That link doesn't work...
Date: Friday, August 29th, 2003 05:42 pm (UTC)http://www.hot-lead.org/Samcostume
Click on the Photos section. First collection you'll see the neat photo ops at Comic-Con. Fourth collection down has more of recreation-type stuff. Ah, this Sam vs. Gollum picture hasn't been posted yet here, but I'm getting around to it. The one of me and Carolyn and Sean Astin (squee) exists, but I haven't gotten it from the third party's camera yet.
One of these days. LOL.
However you do have me curious now about where that link went...."Image Station" gave me an error message....*scratches head* Ah well, email me privately about this 'cos inquiring minds want to know ;)
Re: That link doesn't work...
Date: Friday, August 29th, 2003 07:21 pm (UTC)Just right-click the link, click "copy shortcut", paste that into the address bar on your browser and hit go.
Make sure you put that Coke down first, though!
And wow, that's some great work! In the shots where your face isn't visible, it could be footage from the film! Really, excellent costume work, there. Bravo!
I will not say the day is done
Date: Friday, August 29th, 2003 07:28 pm (UTC)Really curious now. LOL. :)~
Thanks for the compliments! We tried very hard to get our costumes just right and I'm so glad you appreciate our efforts!
Re: I will not say the day is done
Date: Friday, August 29th, 2003 07:33 pm (UTC):)